Tuesday, November 29, 2016

11/29 We Are On for Regular Class

We are on for regular class today. See you there.

Today we will skip to the film and mix in discussion with the book. Though they are very similar (unusual for Hollywood) there are some noticeable differences.

The discussion questions will follow below in the Comments section below.

Revised Schedule:
11/29 Film: The Hunger Games  
12/06 Midterms revised in class with individual conferences. 
12/13 The final reflection will be online. You should anticipate an hour or so to complete it.  
12/13 and 12/14 Conferences 8-2.

55 comments:

  1. Hi folks! Feel free to post you own questions during the film or afterwards. I will start with the choice of actress. Jennifer Lawrence has been described as being too "chunky" to play Katniss. Is that fair? Does she look like what you thought Katniss would look like?

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    1. I think Jennifer Lawrence did a very good portrayal of Katniss, however in the books Katniss is in a constant state of starvation and Jennifer Lawrence dose not look like she has ever missed a meal a day in her life. Jennifer Lawrence has a healthy body and Katniss is supposed to look skinner than that.

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    2. I don't like focusing on actresses' appearances but in this case the fact that Katniss is underfed and really thin is a really important part of the story. I feel like it comes across different that Jennifer Lawrence looks perfectly healthy. (Not chunky, but she's not a naturally super skinny person.)

      I also think that it took away a little bit from the impact that both Jennifer Lawrence and Josh Hutcherson looked clearly older than 16. I know that always happens with teenagers in movies, but part of the horrifying thing about the plot is that these are kids. Seeing all these young kids killing each other was the most chilling part of the movie, so it would've been nice if Katniss and Peeta looked like actual 16 year olds.

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    3. Jennifer Lawrence was very good in her acting that portrays well as Katniss, but her condition looks is too healthy and clean. Since because Katniss struggles ever since she was young and the living conditions were far different than the capitol. So she would have look more ''sick'' & really skinny, plus, Katniss was suppose to be 16 year old but Jennifer is not 16 nor does she looks like the average 16 year old.

      -Sze Chin, Tiong

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    4. Jennifer Lawrence, I think, did an amazing job portraying Katniss Everdeen in the movie version. When reading the book however, I did not have a clear picture of what she would look like. For Katniss strong personality and her body type I think Jennifer Lawrence did a great job at that. She really embodied the character of Katniss and her personality. Both Josh Hutcherson and Jennifer Lawrence are obviously older than 16 years old, which is common in Hollywood to cast older people to play teenager parts but, I do believe that this also may throw off the critics of how they envisioned Katniss and/or Peeta in the movie and their character personality.

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    5. Honestly I thought Jennifer Lawrence did a fantastic job playing Katniss. Regardless of what Hollywood thinks of her body, what made her sell the character was her ferocity and empathy. I actually believed that this actress is Katniss. With her eyes alone she was able to convey the fear, rage, helplessness and hopefulness that Katniss embodies. Very soulful performance.

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    6. I think Jennifer Lawrence played a the role of Katniss very well. You could see every emotions in her eyes. It was actually my first time in seeing her in a movie(but I guess that’s the reason why she is famous right now) and I was surprised on how good of an actress she is. Although, I would have to agree with some of my classmates reply. Katniss was portrayed as a hard-working woman. She has to go hunting in the woods so that they could have food to eat; hence they are starving. Jennifer Lawrence had a healthy body (had because she seems skinner right now) and physically does not show that she is not starving or having a hard time looking for food. But personally,I believe it does not matter or that factor was not really important because she was able to portray the role well and I could see and feel the struggle she went through while watching the movie.

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    7. Jennifer Lawrence might be a little chunky in her features than Katiness the slim girlthat is portrayed in the novel. In the novel, the reader is constantly aware that their is limited food supply and people could bracelet starving for days. Thus, as a reader I have assumed Katniess would be very slim. Another feature that I have noticed was that Lawerence seemed to matured looking than a sixteen year old girl. I believe that in the movie, she should have been portrayed much younger and show her process of change and growth also physically.

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    8. Well, when I was reading the book I imagined Katniss as a skinny girl who possessed a strange force. Although Jennifer Lawrence's performance was excellent, her physical appearance did not match the way I picture Katniss. For example, while I was watching the movie the scene that I missed a little was the flashback that shows Peeta throwing a piece of bread to Katniss. As I read this part in the book, I imagined Katniss in a state of extreme malnutrition and very fragile; However, in the movie the appearance of it is only tired.

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    9. Honestly i believe she is not chunky at all. She did look like the Katnis that i imagine. She looks athletic, shes a great hunter. Yes Katnis look like the katnis that I imagined.

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    10. I think Jennifer Lawrence played the role of Katniss very well. She really connected herself to the character. When it came to her physical appearance it kinda didnt match in a way because it stated skinny, so I assumed skinny as in really thin like not healthy at all, or maybe a person that doesnt eat i guess. But Jennifer Lawrence looked very healthy and is in great shape. and her appearance was very mature. Lawrence was just stronger then the character she had to play.

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    11. Jennifer Lawrence was perfectly fine to play the role of Katnis. She was in perfect shape and their is absolutely nothing wrong with the way she looked she also did a great job.

      Nakeita Grimes.

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  2. Sigmund Freud, the godfather of modern psychology, posited that all humans are driven from birth by two basic impulses: Eros and Thanatos (or Love/Pleasure and Death). Does the Hunger Games support that notion or oppose it?

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    1. The hunger games support Freud's position on Eros and Thanatos. Through out the hunger games, all you see is kids trying to kill each other which is a representation of Thanatos. Eros comes to play when the game makers of the hunger games see the "love" between Katniss Peeta and change the rules so that they can both win and become victors.

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    2. The Hunger Games supports both Eros & Thanatos. One of the major part of the story is all these young kids killing each other and the other part where it develops the romantic relationships between Katniss & Peeta with a slight of Gale involved.

      -Sze Chin, Tiong

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    3. The Hunger Games does embody the Sigmund Freud notion of Eros (Love) and Thanatos (Pleasure and Death). Through out the movie, Katniss has that constant love for her sister, Prim, and in the games, a love for Rue. The Eros for Peeta and Peeta's Eros for Katniss is there. However, it is different out look of love. For Katniss, she loves Peeta for the gamemakers and for sponsors; on the other hand, Peeta's Eros is actual love for Katniss which he explains that he is in love with Katniss since Kindergarten.

      The Thanatos of The Hunger Games is basically all the districts that want to be that victor and when Katniss and Peeta kiss when they hide out in the cave. Some of the Tribute Districts form alliances to kill one another. However, that would not last forever. They will all soon kill whom they thought were alliances in the beginning of the game. The gamemakers are defiantly in favor for the death of the Tributes until the victor is announced.

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    4. I believe that The Hunger Games embodies both Eros and Thanatos. Katniss represents Eros and the games itself, with the people enjoying it in the capitol embody Thanatos(pleasure and death), the sick joy from the deaths of the tributes.

      Also, I had no idea until this point what Thanatos was or meant, and now it makes so much sense that the comic book villain, who is obsessed with pleasure and death, is named Thanos in Marvel!! You learn something new every day!!!!

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    5. The hunger games does support the notion of Eros and Tanatos by Sigmund Freud. In the novel, there is a constant notion of death/ Tanatos, where the children must kill each other for survival and thus each one must die except one. The display of the tribunes fave upon their death is also a constant reminder of death. The Eros is also constantly persisted for survival when Katiness and Peeta must become lovers to society's eyes. There is a constant notion from the Capitol not to disappoint about the growing love. That is the only way Katniss and Peeta survived the Hunger Games were the rules were amended where two tributes could be the winners, the star crossed lovers.

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    6. I believed that Freud's psychology fit perfectly in the hunger games for the fact that he believed that humans are driven by pleasure/love and death. As we can see in the movie we see how the characters are driven by death in the beggining and then in the end love takes action.

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    7. The Hunger Games does support the nation of Eros and Tanatos by Sigmund Freud because Katniss shows Eros the games and the people are enjoying it in the capitol and the shows the pleasure of death with represents the thanatos.. and also the joys from the deaths if the many tributes. It also showed love when it came to her sister but a differnt type of love with it came to Peeta.

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    8. The Hunger Games support the notion of Eros and Thanatos. According to Freud, people have an unconscious desire to die, but that life instincts largely temper this desire. In the beginning of the story of Katniss after the death of her father, the purpose of her life is the love for her sister Prim. Even during the Hunger Games love for Rue, make Katniss decide to win the games for her. On the other hand, the impulse of the death is much more reflected during the games; Where many children are left to die, and others reflect their desire for the death of others.

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  3. Is Katniss really in love with Peeta?

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    1. To be honest, I personally thinks she was never really in love with Peeta in the first place. At first, she merely does the kissing actions to get the sponsors. Although, I feel that the film made it difficult to interpret if she's actually loves him or not. As it leaves many audience believes they're actually in love after their passion kiss.

      -Sze Chin, Tiong

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    2. Just based on the first book, no she's not. Most of the things she does are just an act, put on so that she and Peeta can survive. Peeta was the one to introduce the idea of their romance for the audience, so she has to play that up. She kisses him, feeds him, and pretends to cry when she leaves him to go get his medicine at the Cornucopia. But she does all that being very aware of the people watching, and that it might get here more help from Haymitch and the sponsors. Katniss feels uncomfortable when Peeta says or does things that are more romantic, and keeps thinking about how Gale feels watching this.

      Later, she does kiss Peeta again and finds out that she likes it, and realizes she does really care about him. But she still only kissed him for the audience, and even after that, she only continues to bring up topics like Peeta's crush on her for the audience's benefit.

      Peeta is Katniss' only source of comfort and the only person she can trust within the Games. That plus the fact that he has a crush on her, and she has to pretend to feel the same way, makes it easy to confuse what's real and what isn't. Even though Peeta was joking when he said that Katniss only liked him because there was no other competition, it was kind of true. Peeta is a great guy, and Katniss could fall in love with him in the future. But in this book, it seemed more like she was starting to confuse the acting and the feeling of comfort for genuine feelings.

      -Adora

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    3. I believe in this first movie, Katniss is not in love with Peeta. She is not in love with Peeta because she is more concerned about getting out the games alive, just as she promised Prim, Rue, and the rest of Districts. When the gamekeepers announced the rule change for the end of the 74th Hunger Games, Katniss had to put on a show for the people at the Capital because that is what they wanted. Peeta and Katniss were from the same district and they had becomes the "love birds" of the Hunger Games to begin with. Still, no Katniss is not in love with Peeta in this first movie. Katniss is smart enough to twist the Capital's game to make sure she will win and save her and Peeta's life.

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    4. Not at all. She cares for him but she is also very keen on her own survival, which in her plan is playing Peeta.

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    5. I do believe Katniss was really in love with Peeta. Although, it was not a love at first sight kind of thing. It developed over time; and the hunger games helped in developing it. Katniss remembers Peeta as kind-hearted baker’s son because he throw her a piece of bread. He gave her hope when she was about to give up. She had that memory carried in her heart. That is why it was easy for her to fall in love with Peeta.

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    6. No, I think she's not in love with Peeta, she just cares about him as a friend. I do not think she has defined her feelings about Gale either.

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    7. I dont believe she is in love with Petta, i believe that the reason she had to act that she loved Petta for survival and i also believe that she cares for Petta, but I really wouldn't consider it love.

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    8. I do not really think Katniss was in love with Petta, I think it was just a show like she had to go with the flow in order to survive in the game. It was more of a give the people what they want type of situation.

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    9. Yes I do believe that Katniss is in-love with Peeta, but that love came slowly and painfully. I see Katniss and Peeta's love as somewhat an evolution due the the way it developed. They started as starngers, friendship then eventually love.

      NAKEITA GRIMES.

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  4. Kat is a killer, no doubt. But she seems to have rules about it. What are they?

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    1. Katniss is a killer but for good reasons. She mainly uses her killer instinct for defending herself and the people she loves. Also, Katniss uses her killer instinct for food. Because Katniss comes from the poorest district, her bow and arrow is the safety she needs when it comes to helping her survive. In the games, Katniss uses her main killer instinct, to protect herself and the one she loves, in order to win to keep her promise. She is not like the tributes such as Cato and Foxface, who kill because they can. Katniss always has a purpose for her killer personality.

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    2. Her rules are kill in the name of survival. She takes no pleasure in the taking of human life like the career tributes.

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    3. Katniss only kills when she has to. She kills so that she can stay alive. Katniss is not a fan & does not believe in the Hunger games unlike the other player.

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    4. Katniss is a killer, but she only kills to survive. At the beginning of the book and the movie, we know that the purpose of hunting animals is to bring food to her family. And during the Hunger Games, she avoids killing the other participants, what she does is survive during the game, and if to survive you need to kill then you will do it.

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    5. Katnis can be considered a killer, but as one can also see that see didnt really kill anyone unless she reach the point that she had to for survival, her kills were not so brutal like the others.

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    6. I think Katniss can be considered a killer but she only kills to survive. But other than that she doesn't really like to take human life for no reason.

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    8. Although Katniss is a killer she doesn't just kill for fun, she kills to protect herself, family and for food.

      NAKEITA GRIMES

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  5. What do you think Haymitch and Peeta's strategy was that they discussed in private? Where do we see it?

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    1. I think Peeta and Haymitch discussed the idea of the starcrossed lovers. Peeta knew Katniss wouldn't like it, but that it would help Katniss' image and gain both of them sponsors. Haymitch clearly knew it was coming because he made it a point to always make sure Katniss and Peeta are seen as a pair.

      He also might have discussed the idea of faking an alliance with the Careers. Katniss was given the instruction to run away from the Cornucopia, but Peeta's plan might have always been to fight at the Cornucopia and try to form an alliance, to keep himself alive longer. He was also somewhat of a double agent, still remaining loyal to Katniss, and the audience could have recognized that at home and gotten more invested, which again would help with sponsors.

      -Adora

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    2. One of the strategy Katniss was not involve with the discussions is about the act of lovers between Katniss & Peeta. In which, her reaction makes sense when Peeta mention her crush on Katniss during the introduction stage show.

      -Sze Chin, Tiong

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    3. Haymitch and Peeta's strategy was that Katniss and Peeta becomes the starcrossed or "love birds" in the games. This way they would get more sponsors and most of the Capital on their side. I believe this was a smart strategy because it made the Capital uplift their rule on having two victors. In the movie, Haymitch and Peeta's strategy was hinted a few times before the actual games begin. At first when the victors come out on their chariots and Peeta and Katniss hold hands, I believe this was part of their strategy on the train. Also, during the interviews with each tribute. Although Katniss's interview was more about her clothing, Peeta's interview was about his deep love for Katniss. It was necessary for Peeta to mention that because it made the Capital to think twice about their actions and the outcome that this Hunger Games is going to have.

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    4. I believe the strategy of a love connection between Peeta and Katniss was what was going on. Its interesting because it kind of makes this death match an episodic, with a romantic twist to it. It makes me think of our own society, and the way we view reality television. Its a smart move because they are able to use the smug pleasure the people get from the games to their advantage. Create a show out of the spectacle.

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    5. Both Haymitch and Peeta knew that Katniss had a high chance of getting more sponsors for the Hunger games (and also winning the hunger games). But I think Peeta is not ready just to give up like that. So I guess Haymitch suggested to have Peeta confess his “crush” for Katniss during the interview; and make them love birds. That would draw more attention and or sponsors to both of them.

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    6. Haymitch and Peeta's strategy that was discussed in private was the key for survival and realized that becoming the star crossed lovers was the only was for it. Also, making alliances with the right tributes and the right time to trick the emery and attack on a good time. We see this when one morning Peeta decided to be coached by Haymitch on his own without Katiness and she becomes very mad because she thinks that he is trying to play her.

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    7. Haymitch and Petta were probably the ones who created the whole concept of Petta and katniss falling in love. I mean that was the only smart way petta would survive and ofcourse it would grasp the viewers attention in a way. Making them stand out more the the rest.

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    8. In the book it seems that Haymitch already has planned, the idea of ​​the love story of Katniss a Peeta before Peeta asks to be trained in private. Because he told Katniss and Peeta always to be together every minute in public. I think when Peeta asks him to discuss his strategy privately, Haymitch discovered that Peeta is really in love with Katniss. Haymitch took this information to start developing his idea of ​​"the start cross over of District 12" and what a better time than during Peeta's interview.

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    10. Petta and Haymitch were discussing the love interest of Kantniss and Petta before he asked to be trained. Petta did kinda need Katniss for his own survival.

      NAKEITA GRIMES

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  6. From my perspective I feel like Jennifer Lawrence did a decent job of representing Katniss in the movie. Besides that from watching the movie as well as reading the books in my mind I think that katniss really had some kind of feeling for Peeta but I do not feel like she was in love with Peeta in the beginning . At the beginning I think that she kissed him in order to receive the sponsors . However I think that over time through the journey that they both went through from my perspective as I was watching the film it got me feeling like the feelings between both Peeta as well as katniss developed into something more deeper and meaningful I do think that Peeta feelings for katniss was stronger from the start . Lastly I had fun watching the movie more than reading the book but I still think that it is good that I did both because I think that reading the books had me interpret things in one way and then watching the movie had me interpret things in another way .

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  8. I think one of the Strategies that peeta and haymatch discussed the idea of the star crossed lovers and peeta thought Kat wouldn't like it. But then realized it would help Kat and gain both of them sponsors in the game and I thought that was fair.

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