Tuesday, October 18, 2016

Tuesday 10/18


We will play catch-up today. Please see the longer note below this post. The online discussions did not post through to you. I have re-posted them here for us today. No one is late or missing anything.

Today:
My Cell/Text number: 917.359.5222
Copybooks: Fairy Tales
Review--Joseph Campbell, The Hero's Journey and Archetypes
Fairy tales 
  • In-class: Little Red Riding-Hood Tales
  • Homework: Cinderella Tales: The Grimm versionThe Lang version (some of the packets were misprinted, but these links will carry you to the full copies). Answer the questions in the Comments section below.
  • Homework: read "The Selfish Giant". Answer the questions in the Comments Section below. 
Adjusted Schedule:
10/18  Traditions in Children's Literature (Originally scheduled as a film). Homework: Cinderella tales and questions here in the Comments sections.
10/25  Film: Cinderella (in class) and Discussion (online).
11/01  Mid-term Essay Test. Irregular Day. Yes, Thursday is a Tuesday part II. We meet twice in a week. Copybooks will be evaluated during a conference at the end of the semester.  
11/03* Picture Books by Age  
11/08 Read-aloud books
11/15  The Hunger Games
11/22  The Hunger Games
11/29 Film: Spirited Away 
12/6 Final Essay Exam
12/13 and 12/14 Conferences 9-5 all day

50 comments:

  1. What are some of the typical traits of fairy tales?

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    1. Personification/Animism
      Monomythic structure
      Danger / Tests
      Damsel in distress
      Label-names
      Innocent archetype
      Magic
      Food
      Clothing
      Forest / Trees
      Wishes / Spells
      The number 3

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    2. Magic OR Divine help
      Once Upon a Time, there once was, (tale space)
      Moral / Lesson

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  2. What are the significant differences between the Brothers Grimm "Little Red-cap" and Lang's "Little Red Riding-Hood"?

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    1. The ending, in Lang’s version the wolf eat Little Red Hood and her grandmother However in the Grimm Brothers’ version a rescuer came to them and “kill” the wolf and saves them. It also shows how Little Riding Hood change; she is not innocent anymore at the end, she and her grandmother learn their lesson; “do not trust strangers, especially if they are wolves.”

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    2. The major difference from the “Little Red Riding Hood” and “Little Red Cap” comes in the end of both stories. At the end of “Little Red Cap”, the brothers Grimm version, Red (the main character) is rescued by a huntsman, a savior who helps her cheat death. Moreover, red then learns from this lesson and the story shows it when another wolf comes back to try and eat her and her grandmother all over again but they stop him and save themselves. This shows that sometimes you can fix your mistakes and can potentially learn from them. However, the second story, “Little Red Cap”, she just dies at the end, with no one to save her showing that sometimes you can’t fix your mistakes and that, consequently, the decisions you make cannot be overwritten.

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  3. What archetypes are active in both stories? Are they the same? If they are different, what makes them different?

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    1. Going to have to go with the innocent. Also, the destroyer. The wolf is looking to literally kill grandma as well as red. The warrior archetype is present in the huntsman. The caregiver archetype also goes to little red's mother, giving red little strict instructions for going to grandma's for the sake of her safety.

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    3. Also, as far as differences are concerned, the archetypes for the wolf and red are the same. The only difference is the absence of characters from Red Cap going into Riding Hood.

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    4. 1) Innocent, Caregiver, Seeker
      2) There's a Warrior archetype in ''Little Red-Cap'' for the Huntsman but not in ''Little Red-riding hood''.

      -Sze Chin, Tiong

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    5. The similarities is that the protagonist is innocent. The wolf is able to talk to the little red, which is a personification. Also there is a journey, which is little red walking in the woods to get to her grandmas house. Also along the journey comes an obstacle which is the wolf who distracts her from her walk. A difference is the ending of little red riding hood story is that she dies, and there is no happy ending for that story.

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    6. The Innocent- In both stories it is Little Red. In Red Riding-Hood she remained innocent through the whole story.
      The Warrior- At the end of the story in Red-Cap she becomes a warrior when she defeats the wolf.
      The Caregiver- The grandmother in Little Red-Cap cares for her and keeps her safe by coming up with a plan to kill the wolf. She also keeps her grand daughter safe in her house.

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    7. 1. Both versions have the Innocent - the main character.
      2. Both versions have The Wolf (archetype - the Destroyer? Or maybe the negative version of the Warrior)
      3. Both versions have the Caregiver - the mother at the beginning of the story, and maybe the grandmother, although she is more passive than the mother.
      4. One version has the Warrior in a positive form - the huntsman.

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    8. I forgot to mention that Destroyer is one of the archetypes for the Wolf.

      -Sze Chin, Tiong

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    9. The archetypes that play in both stories are seeker which can also be described as Curiosity because this is an action that played among both stories and also innocence.

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    10. -the Innocent (little red cap is the protagonist)
      -the orphan (traveling alone in the woods)
      -the seeker (looking for grandmothers house)
      -the caregiver (going off to grandmothers house)
      -the lover (Little Red Cap's love for her grandmother)
      -the sage (Little Red Cap and Grandmother get out off the wolf's stomach)
      -the joker (trusting the wolf telling him where she is going)
      -the ruler (the wolf taking control of the grandmother)

      In some cases, both Little Red Riding Hood story is the same. For example, Little Red Riding hood setting out to help her sickly grandmother and she encounters a wolf. The difference is the ending of the story. In the Brothers Grimm fairy tale the Grandmother and Little Red Cap (in this case) get out a live from the wolf. However in the Lang version, Little Red Riding Hood (in this case) and the grandmother get eaten alive and that ends the story.

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    12. Archetypes that are active in Little Red Cap & Little Red Riding Hood are:
      Innocent- when the little girl met the wolf;she did not know if the wolf was bad.
      The warrior- the huntsman
      The caregiver- in both stories the little girl went to see and bring her ill grandmother some wine and cakes they made.
      The destroyer- I think the wolf represents as the destroyer or the evil/dangerous person; he tried to destroy the little girls family.
      The orphan- accept the help from the huntsman; she is an orphan by distance or the little girl is away from her mother.

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    13. The seeker would be an archetype because the little girl in both stories goes out on a journey to seek something, their grandmother. Another archetype that is present in "little red-cap" is The warrior. In little red-cap the Warrior is the girl because she helps kill the wolf. I feel like both stories, although they are fairly different they do have similar qualities and archetypes.

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    14. 1. Innocence- Little Red Riding Hood trusts the wolf and tells him where her grandmother lives
      2.Warrior- The Huntsman saves the grandmother and Little Red Riding Hood from the Wolf's belly and the Grandmother successfully kills the wolf.
      3.Destroyer-In the Brothers Grimm the wolf continues to try to eat the grandmother but he fails. In the other version he is successful and eats little red riding hood.

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    15. The warrior named the huntsman which does not change throughout the story. There a couple of caregivers in the story like red's mother. She seems to be innocent and shows no growth because she failed to listen to her mother's instructions and follows her instincts. If she would have listened since the start she wouldn't have spoken to the wolf and probably lived.

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    17. The archetypes that are active in little red riding hood was innocent and warrior the child plays.The caregiver was the grandma. In the Grimm " little red cap the destroyer was the wolf.

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    18. Archetypes for both stories:
      Innocent- the Little Riding-Hood
      Caregiver- caring for the grandmother
      Destroyer- the wolf destroying the family/ eating them alive
      Orphan- the Little Riding-Hood
      Lover- love for the grandmother
      Warrior- huntsman
      Seeker They are both similar: innocent, label names, lesson/message to convey to the reader. Both stories end different thus that is the difference. In the "Little Red-cap" story, first the Huntsman saved them from the wolf and the second time, the wolf slipped down off the roof straight into to the trough and drowned, thus the girl was able to go home safe. In the "Little Red Riding-Hood story, they were eating up alive and were not saved.

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    19. In both stories, the similar archetypes would be the Innocent, the Orphan and Caregiver, the Seeker, and the Destroyer. The girl was tricked into trusting the wolf in both stories and walking around wandering in the woods, which is part of her innocence. She needed help so she accepted the help from the huntsmen. Also, there is a death in each of the stories, the little girl dying in one story and the wolf dying in the other. There is one difference in the Little Red Cap, because the huntsman is there to help the girl which shows the Warrior archetype.

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    20. Little red riding-hood is the innocent, the orphan,the seeker, and the caregiver in both versions of the story, also little red riding-hood's mother is a caregiver. In both versions of the story Little Red riding-hood has to leave home by herself and deliver food to her sick grandmother, little red riding-hood also explores the woods. The warrior archetype is seen in the version of the story with the huntsman because the huntsman helps save little red riding-hood and her grandmother and he helps kill the wolf. The wolf is the destroyer in both versions of the story because he wants to eat little red riding-hood and her grandmother.

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    21. Innocent, both version, in the Grandmother and Riding Hood. However in the Grimm's brother these both character change. Another archetype that we can find destroyer, on this case would be the wolf. The warrior only in the Grimm's version huntsman. The caregiver who we see in Riding Hood's mother.

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    23. Some archetypes mentioned in the fairy-tale "Little Red Cap" are
      innocent, warrior, seeker, destroyer, and orphan. In the
      "Little Red Riding Hood" the archetypes are innocent, and destroyer.
      The first story's archetypes, even though it appears a bit gruesome,
      are bit more wider being that it has a warrior, a seeker and an orphan.
      The warrior refers to the huntsman and even red herself when she
      fights to get out of the wolf's belly. The orphan is red being
      symbolically distant from her parents but then fights to live. She’s
      also a seeker when she looks for the flowers that she believes would
      make her grandmother happier. Lastly Red represents innocence at the
      beginning of the story, when she falls for the wolf’s tricks and eventually
      becomes eaten because of it. Significantly, in the second story, “Little Red
      Riding Hood”, the innocence red represents is seen thought the whole story,
      since in this version she doesn't become the warrior. Similarly to the first
      version, the destroyer is the wolf

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  4. What Pearson archetype is the wolf?

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    1. The wolf archetype is the destroyer; especially the shadow level. In both stories, the wolf has harming intentions towards Little Riding Hood and her grandmother.

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    3. The Wolfs archetype is, without doubt, destroyer because it manipulates red into eating her. Nevertheless, for, those same reasons, he seems to also be a seeker because of the way he pursues his prey. He is very persistent on getting what he wants and deceives Red with his tricks. In both stories, what the wolf seeks is to consume

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    4. The Pearson archetype that the wolf was the destroyer, because he tricked little red riding hood into getting want he wanted and didn't stop until he got it. In a way she was his prey.

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  5. HOMEWORK: Read both Cinderella tales and compare them based on changes in the symbolism, plot, and manifestation of archetypes. We will use your responses as the basis for discussion as a class once we watch the Disney film.

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    1. There's majority of similar storytelling of both the Cinderella versions, however, there's also some differences. In Grimm's, it was written much more darker and ''teach a lesson'' for children while Lang's is more for bedtime story.
      The main differences of Grimm's & Lang's is that Grimm's does not have a godmother but a Hazel tree with animals that helps Cinderella go to the ball by bringing her dresses whenever she makes her wish. I believe the Hazel Tree might represents like a (possibly god)judge as how near the end of the story the birds speaks for the tree and tells them who's the false and who's the true bride. In the end, the sisters were both got their eyes pecked out from the birds to make them blind for punishment while they're in church. Which, this could also be meaning that god was punishing them for their sins of being greedy and even trying to convey themselves wearing the glass slippers to marry the prince as the slippers was never meant for them to wear & because they're asking Cinderella to share fortunes even after the horrible treatment they did to Cinderella. Lang's version is more like the Disney style and it has no hazel tree but instead a godmother that has magic that help Cinderella go to the ball. In Lang's version, Cinderella shows forgiveness to the sisters and share part of the fortunes and the sisters does not receive any punishment.
      Both versions share the archetypes of the Innocent/Seeker which is Cinderella herself, the Destroyer of the stepmother and the sisters that wouldn't let Cinderella go to the ball, the Caregiver/Magician/Sage for the godmother who help Cinderella to go to the ball but also for the Grimm's version with the animals that bring Cinderella dresses from her wishes.

      -Sze Chin, Tiong

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    2. There are a lot of differences between the Cinderella by the Brothers Grimm and the one by Andrew Lang. Lang talks more about the stepmother. She didn’t show her true colors until after she and Cinderella’s father were married, and treated Cinderella badly because Cinderella’s beauty made her daughters look worse by comparison. The father didn’t know how Cinderella was being treated, and Cinderella didn’t tell him because he was completely under the stepmother’s thumb. Grimm’s version is more vague about these things.

      Both fairytales show personification of animals and nature. In Grimm, Cinderella asks her father to bring her a branch, which she plants by her mother’s grave. The branch grows into a tree watered by her tears, and a bird that lives in the tree grants Cinderella wishes. The bird being white represents purity, and the tree and birds represent the love of Cinderella’s mother. Lang’s Cinderella has a fairy godmother instead. She transforms a pumpkin into a coach, mice into horses, a rat into a coachman, and lizards into footmen so Cinderella can attend the ball.

      Both fairytales write Cinderella active in some places and passive in others. In Grimm, Cinderella asks the birds to help her go to the festival. Lang’s Cinderella wants to go to the ball, but the fairy godmother makes everything happen without Cinderella asking. At the end of the story, Lang’s Cinderella asks to try on the slipper, while in Grimm most of the action is left to others. Grimm also has the stepsisters cut off parts of their feet so the slipper will fit. The prince is fooled and starts to drive off until two birds tell him to look at the trail of blood the sisters are leaving behind. When the stepsisters go to the palace, the birds peck their eyes out. In Lang, they don’t cut off parts of their feet, and Cinderella ends up forgiving them. They live in the palace and are married to lords of the court.

      In Grimm’s fairytale, the number three is important: something is repeated three times, and there’s a change on the third time. Cinderella sings to get help from the birds in picking grain and lentils from the fireplace twice, and the third time she sings to ask for nice clothes. The festival lasts three days and Cinderella loses her slipper on the third day. After twice being told he chose the wrong girl, the king’s son chooses Cinderella.

      The message in Grimm’s fairytale is that good people are rewarded, and bad people punished. Also, inner beauty is more important than outer beauty, and vanity is a bad quality. For example, the stepsisters ask for pretty clothes and jewelry from the father, but Cinderella asks for a branch. Lang’s message is that you should be kind and forgive people. This Cinderella is shown doing kind things, while Grimm tells more than shows it. For example, Cinderella shares fruit with her stepsisters at the ball, when they don’t recognize her and she had no reason to be nice.

      Cinderella fits the archetype of the Innocent: she’s optimistic and wants happiness. She’s also the Orphan, forced to do things herself without any help from her parents, and the Seeker, trying to escape her life by going to the ball. But she’s a static character; her circumstances change but she doesn’t grow as a person. Even in the Lang version, Cinderella forgiving her stepsisters is portrayed as the kind of thing she’d always do. The fairy godmother is the Magician: a magical being that makes Cinderella’s dreams come true. The stepmother is the Destroyer and the prince is the Lover. The father doesn’t really fit an archetype, except that he’s an anti-Caregiver. The stepsisters also fit The Destroyer archetype in being destructive to Cinderella, and in Grimm’s version self-destructive. But they are also a negative version of the Seeker. They want to live better lives in marrying well, but are overly ambitious and proud. The Seeker is associated with the “Preparation” stage in the hero’s journey, which fits with Lang’s portrayal. Because they’re young, they have room to change and get happy endings of their own.

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    3. Both Cinderella (or Aschenputtel) stories are similar and different in a majority of ways. The Brother’s Grimm and Lang version of storytelling is both for children but the Brother’s Grimm version is darker while the Lang version is more aimed to read for kids at bedtime.

      Similarities in the Lang and Brother’s Grimm stories are the archetypes of the characters in the stories. Archetypes that are similar is the innocent which is Cinderella (in Lang) or Aschenputtel (in Grimm). Cinderella is portrayed the innocent in both stories because her optimism and wants the same respect her Stepsisters get from the Stepmother. Cinderella is also an orphan. She is the orphan because in both stories Cinderella’s mother dies and her father remarries. Since her father remarries, Cinderella is left to do things on her own. Cinderella also fits the archetype as the seeker. She is the seeker because when the Stepmother does not allow her to go to the ball she finds her way to go to the ball. How Cinderella goes to the ball is by the magician and the caretaker, which are the Fairy God Mother (in Lang) and the Magic Tree (in Brother’s Grimm). Both of these characters grants wishes to Cinderella in order for her to go to the ball. The Fairy God Mother and the Magic Tree both take care of Cinderella because they look after her so she can have her dream of going to the ball. The Stepsisters and the Stepmother is the destroyer and the Prince is the lover in both Lang and Brother’s Grimm.

      Another similarity is the plot of the stories. The plot of the story is the same because it follows a girl, Cinderella, who finds her way to go to the ball and the Prince finds Cinderella and get married. Her Stepsisters and Stepmother treat Cinderella like a servant; however her Father does not step in because he is trapped under the Stepmothers spell of being the destroyer. Also, Cinderella gets the dress and goes to the ball and gets the Prince at the end.

      The use of the number three is also a common theme through out the two Cinderella stories. The number three is used for the ball at the castle and the number of girls the Prince uses to find the right girl that fits the shoe.

      One major difference in the stories is the ending. In the Brother’s Grimm story, the ending is not as forgiving as the Lang version. At the end of the Brother’s Grimm story when Cinderella rides away with the prince, the Stepsisters and Stepmother live in sin and they lose their eyesight because of their destroyer archetypes. As for the Lang ending, it is more forgiving. Cinderella forgives the Stepmother and Stepsisters for being cruel to her and Cinderella wish that they will always love her.

      Another major difference is the shoes Cinderella wears and how the Prince finds the owner of the missing shoe. In the Brother’s Grimm story, the shoes are gold. The Prince finds the right foot that matches the shoe. When the Prince gets to Cinderella and the Stepsisters, Cinderella is the last to try on the shoe and it fits perfectly. The Stepsisters have to chop off toes and shave off part of their heel just to fit the shoe; that however still does not belong to the right foot. On the other hand, in the Lang Story the shoe Cinderella wears is made of glass. The Stepsisters feet did not fit in the glass slipper and Cinderella had a hunch that it would not fit her either, but the glass slipper did fit Cinderella.

      Lastly, a difference is the personification of each story. Personification is giving human traits to inanimate objects. In the Brother’s Grimm story does not have much personification, the use of the magic tree is like a second character. The Magic Tree over the late mother’s grave grants Cinderella’s wish to go to the ball. However, in the Lang version the use of personification is used more straightforward. The Fairy God Mother uses the definition to make Cinderella’s time at the ball more luxurious. For example, the Fairy God Mother makes a person out of the rats and the footman being a lizard originally.

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    4. Aschenputtel and Cinderella by Lang have many differences and similarities. In the beginning of both stories the mother dies and the father remarries. But in the Aschenputtel tale the father is kind to her and still acknowledges her by brining her a gift she had asked for. In the Cinderella story she could not tell her father of her step-mothers true nature, he would ignore her. In Aschenputtel her step-mother puts Cinderella in a difficult task and if she does the task well she would let her go to the ball. In Cinderella by Lang her step-mother straight forwardly tells her she could not go to the ball. In Aschenputtel there are animals that help her to pick up the lentils and in Lang's tale there are no animals to help Cinderella with any tasks. Cinderella's father was a caregiver in Aschenputtel in Lang's version he was not a caregiver. In Aschenputtel the tree helps her get to the ball and in Cinderella by Lang a fairy appears to help Cinderella. The endings are different as well in Aschenputtel the two step-sisters are punished the birds pecked both eyes out and they were forced to beg for money in there streets. In Lang's version Cinderella forgives her step-sisters and they are not punished.

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    5. Achenputtel and Lang's Cinderella are an excellent example of how fairy tales or stories all together seem to get watered down with retelling. Lang's Cinderella is more reminiscent of the Walt Disney version. In the Brother's Grimm's sadistic and heavy metal version of the story, there is mutilation done to the sisters to show a sick obsession with winning no matter what the cost or length of forgery. In the end, with the sisters eyes being pecked out by the birds, it is revealed that the moral of this story wasn't so much for Cinderella, but the sisters to show people to not be a false person because it comes with consequences. Also unlike Lang's version, this moral is literally stated at the end.

      In Lang's version, the moral of the story is be true and honest and all will come true for you in the form of true love. No mutilations, nothing harsh, and no repetition of the animals.

      The archetypes for the most part are consistent in both stories(the characters that appear in both versions of the story that is).

      One notable curious archetype choice is in the Grimm's version's birds. They play both the servant/nurturer(for Cinderella) and destroyer(for the sisters). Its interesting seeing dual archetypes based on how those characters respond to other character's traits.

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    6. These two version of Cinderella tales are very different even though they follow the same story line, an orphan girl who has a wicked stepmother and stepsisters, that with the help of somebody or something magical meet her charming prince who saves of her miserable life. However, the different details, symbols, and personification of characters made these stories be apart from each other.
      Both stories follow the same story line however their plot is a little bit different. Lang’s story starts with a wedding of Cinderella’s father, the only reference make of her mother is that she was already dead and she was “the best creature in the world.” Whereas, the Grimm Brothers’ version starts with Cinderella’s mother death and her last words that she gave to her daughter before she died. Another difference that we find in these two versions is that part of how Cinderella gets to go to the ball. In Andrew Lang’s version; Cinderella’s godmother helps her to go to the ball with the assist of her magical wand; she gives her one beautiful dress, a pair of glass slippers and a carriage that would take her to the ball. She also warns Cinderella that she has to come back before midnight if not all will return to its original form. In the Grimm’s version, Cinderella receives the help of her “mother’s spirit” through nature; the hazel tree, birds, and doves help Cinderella to assist to the three balls that the prince will offer. In this version, nature play an important character, the personification of nature help Cinderella through the story also.Another difference that the readers will find in these two versions is the ending. Both stories have a happy ending for Cinderella, even of one of them the readers will see that Cinderella’s stepsister also have a happily ever after. However, in Grimm Brother’s version; the author shows to the readers that doing bad thing will have severe consequence later. As we see in this version Cinderella’s stepsisters will lose their sight.
      Both stories have almost the same characters except Cinderella’s godmother that we see in Lang’ version. Most of the characters archetypes are the same in both stories, except Cinderella’ mother, Godmother, and the Prince. In the Grimm Brother’s version, Cinderella’s Godmother is the caregiver and magician; she takes care of Cinderella and helps her to go to the ball whereas in Lang story is Cinderella mother who takes these two archetypes. The prince’s archetype also differ in these two versions. In the Grimm Brother’s version, the archetype that suits the prince is of the lover; he fell in love when he sees Cinderella in the ball, however in Lang’s version the most suitable archetypes for the prince are the lover and the seeker. The prince in this version fell mainly in love with Cinderella and he searches for his love when he tries in many ways do not let Cinderella escape after finished the ball.
      Both writers use symbolism through their stories. For example; some symbolism that uses Lang is glass slipper, midnight, animals and nature. As Lang, the Grimm Brothers use nature also; in this version, the readers will find symbols as a wooden shoe/golden shoe, hazel tree, birds/doves.

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    7. The many changes in symbolism we see in both “Aschenputtel” and “Cinderella” vary from the beginning to the end through both stories. For example; in Aschenputtel, we see a golden and silver slipper as opposed to the glass slipper we see in Cinderella, which signifies how fragile and humble she was in this version of the story. In the Brothers Grimm version of the story, Ella sleeps on cinder because she has no bed and in “Cinderella”, she lays on a pile of hay. Hay, although not being a comfortable bed, cushions more than cinder which can be found on the floor after burning coal or wood. Cinder can make you sick and dirty, implying that her so called family thought of in low value. Last but not least, the animals in “Cinderella” differ from the Doves in “Aschenputtel”. The doves are a symbol of beauty and pureness, which was similar to her mother’s persona. In addition, the doves chose to come to Ella whenever she needed trying to help her in any way possible and being loyal till the end. In the other version of this story the animals where mostly rats and lizards which just served the godmother who was very insistent in comparison with the birds of “Aschenputtel”. We ultimately never see the godmother or her helpers again after Ella marries the prince.

      Tree major plot changes in both stories include her relationship to the father as well as the prince, the development of Ella’s Character, and the tragic ending versus the fairytale ending. In the Grimm’s version, Ella was not loved at all by her father who called her “Aschenputtel” a nickname given to her by her stepsisters that means dirty, since she was always covered in cinders. He also doesn’t seem to pay any attention to her because he always assumes she’s home lying by the cinders. The prince in this version is caring and tender to her. He cares so much he attempts to make Ella stay when she runs off a third time. She was treated as a princess. In the Cinderella version, the prince treats her like a price. He was always bringing her gifts, like fruits, and admiring her from a far. He doesn’t even bother to look for her and instead sends one of his employees to get her. She was for him, an object of desire because everyone wanted to meet and admire this mysterious lady whose beauty was superior to most. The father in this novel cared about his daughter and unlike the Grimm’s version the father shows signs of being influenced and submissive. These characters cause Ella’s emotions to slightly shift over the story. In “Cinderella” for example, Ella was more humble, empathetic and submissive and in “Aschenputtel”, she was more aware and did not lose her since of self. In “Aschenputtel”, Ella visited her mother’s grave and was in a way smarter because she did not seem to care how charming her prince was; she always left on time as opposed to the Cinderella version where she just does what she is ordered. In the end this submissive part of Ella in the “Cinderella” version is what makes her forgive her two step sisters who were portrayed as less harsh. The ending in this version shows redemption. In the Grimm’s version it shows consequence because the sisters stepsisters eyes where clawed out in her wedding as a punishment for their cruelty. The sisters in this story where a lot more gruesome and fearless cutting body parts to get what they wanted and never feeling bad about it.

      The Archetypes the two stories shared include innocent, caregiver, orphan, seeker, ruler, and lover although shown in different ways. For example the caregiver in one was a dove and in another a godmother. The Grimm’s version; however, doesn’t include warrior like the other text. The warrior in the “Cinderella” story was Ella herself when she advocates for herself when the employee of the prince asks if there is anyone else missing for the fitting of the shoe. She even carries the other shoe in her pocket to show her family her true identity.

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    8. In Aschenputtel and Cinderella both have similarities and differences. Both start out as the father being a widow and later the father remarries. In Aschenputtel the mother tells her daughter to be pious and good. So both characters are Innocent in the beginning. Both stories she has two step sisters, in Aschenputtel the daughters are very beautiful but with ugly and black hearts, while in Cinderella the step-mother is jealous of Cinderella's beauty because they make her daughters the "ugly ones". In Both stories the main characters they have a destroyer which are the step sisters and stepmother, they were told to clean the house and do all the dirty work. In Cinderella she would rest and cry by the cinders and the not so cruel daughter called her Cinderella. In Aschenputtel the father went to a fair and asked his daughter what they would like back, the daughters wanted materialistic things and Aschenputtel wanted a twig.The father brought back what they asked, Aschenputtel went to her mother's grave and planted the twig, she was crying that a tear fell on it and watered and it grew into a tree. There Aschenputtel prayed and cried and the birds brought her whatever she wished for. Another common thing is the ball or festival the king was having. in Aschenputtel, she was told she couldn't go if the dishes and chores were done so Aschenputtel asked the birds for someone to help finish on time so can go to the festival. After all this time the step mother said she could attend the festival and left without her. Aschenputtel went to the tree and cried for a nice dress, she got a golden dress. In both they have a magician. In Cinderella she was walking with the girls, when she lost track of them and got left behind. She cried and her Godmother came along and asked why she was crying. The godmother asked her to bring her a pumpkin in which she made a coach, turn the mice into horse and turned one rat into the coach man. Godmother turned her clothes into a Gold and silver and some fine jewelry. But Cinderella could not stay pass midnight. unlike Aschenputtel she stayed as long as she could. When Aschenputtel arrived to the festival the prince was so amazed by her that in ever festival he would dance with her. When it was time for Aschenputtel to go she would go into the branches of the trees and there she returned into her dirty clothes again. On the last night Aschenputtel left running that her Gold Slipper fell off. Same with Cinderella she noticed she had a few minutes until midnight that her slipper fell off too. In both stories the prince were willing to find the girl who ever fits the shoe perfectly. In Aschenputtel the two step sisters tried on the shoes one cut off her toes and the other cut off her heel because both did not fit into the shoe and each time it wasn't the right girl the birds would come and sing its not the right girl and that her feet are bleeding. When Both prince found the right girl they got married. But the "happy endings" were very different. In Aschenputtel, she got married but her step sisters eyes got picked out and were left blind. In Cinderella, she forgave them for being so cruel to her which in archetype she is the caregiver, that the sisters moved in wither and matched them with lords of the court. As we can tell in Aschenputtel ending was very dark and Cinderella had a happy ending.

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  6. In the Grimm version of the story of Cinderella, Cinderella is the innocent and the orphan who is treated poorly by her step family. Her mothers grave where the tree grows is the archetype caregiver and magician because anything that Cinderella needs the tree magically provides for her, also in this version Cinderella always had pigeons ans turtledoves that help her. In this version Cinderella goes to the festival that lasts three days where she meets the prince who is the archetype of the lover and the seeker. He can be seen as a seeker because at the end of the festival he is always looking for Cinderella. In the Lang version of Cinderella, Cinderella and the Prince's archetypes stay the same. However instead of having a magical tree as a caregiver, Cinderella had a fairy godmother who is seen as the magician and caregiver. Another difference between the two versions of the story is that in the Grimm version the step sisters have their eye plucked out by birds as punishment for being cruel to Cinderella while in the Lang version Cinderella decides to forgive her step sisters and gives them a home in the palace and helps them to marry great lords of the court.

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  7. Lang's version of Cinderella is a lot less gruesome than the Grimm version and I personally enjoy the Grimm version much better. There is something quite satisfying about villains, fictional or not, getting what they deserve. In the Grimm version she is the orphan and the innocent and her mother (whose love and spirit manifests itself in the tree) is the caregiver, supplying her with everything she needs. In the Lang version her archetypes remain the same and the mother/tree is replaced with the fairy godmother. I would say the fairy godmother may be more of a magician than a caregiver but they both apply.

    I liked how the birds were both sweet and nasty. They were helpful protectors of Cinderella but also stone cold eye plucking little beasts. They are both the servants and the destroyers.

    In the Grimm version Cinderella's horrible stepsisters mutilate themselves and treat Cinderella very poorly, these two women go about obtaining their wishes and desires (money, titles, the prince) in the wrong way and I believe the lesson in this version of the famous tale is that wickedness and selfishness will never be rewarded, but kindness will. I think this is a great lesson but I would not let my five year old know about this version.. not yet at least. In the Lang version the message is also a positive one but I personally did not like the ending. In Lang's version Cinderella forgives her sisters and unfortunately wickedness kind of does prevail because Cinderella hooks them up with lords! I think the message of this story is to always be kind and always be forgiving but it kind of makes Cinderella look a bit foolish to me. The squeaky clean fluffy marshmallow Disney version is definitely based off of Lang's version.

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  8. The archetypes that I saw in Grimm's fairy tale Aschenputel and Lang's The Little Glass Slipper are: The Orphan, The Innocent, The Jester, The Caregiver, The Lover, The Warrior and The Destroyer.
    *The Orphan- In both stories Cinderella/Aschenputel was left with her father because her mother died due of illness. She felt alone & abandoned especially when his father found a new wife with daughters; that would not accept and lover her.
    *The Innocent- in both tales, Cinderella would always do without questions being ask, what her stepmother and step-sisters would ask her to do; which leads her to being a
    *The Jester- she would not stand on her ground; she would let herself be always a victim.
    *The Caregiver- She takes care of everything in the house; from cooking to cleaning to taking of her sisters dresses for the ball. I think part of it also is that she cares for the genuinely.
    *The lover- She fell in love with Prince and lived happily every after.
    *The Warrior- When the Prince went out of his way and did everything he can to find Cinderella.
    *The Destroyer- the stepmother and sister; they tried to sabotage and pretend that it's one of the sister's glass shoes.

    Both Grimm's and Lang's versions are similar but also they have their own differences. Such as Lang's language is more easy to read and understand to. it is also very detailed and focuses more on Cinderella and her going to the ball. Unlike Grimm's version which is gruesome and shows more the 'evil' side of the story.
    The ending of both tales are different; on Grimm's version the sisters ended up being blind; unlike Lang's version Cinderella forgave her sisters for everything what they did to her because she lived up to the character she was made, as a kind hearted, loving and forgiving person.

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  9. In the two versions of Cinderella tales were very different but they still followed the same story line of an orphan girl who has wicked stepsisters and a step mother. Everything chanced when she meets prince charming that soon saves her from her miserable life. The differences were in the details was followed by the symbols and the personification of the characters that was made from both of the stories. Both Stories had the same plot which was a girl (Cinderella) goes to the ball with a prince charming and the step sisters try and stop her but in the end she still makes it to the ball, later on she marries the prince. The step sisters and step mother treat Cinderella like a servant.
    One difference was the ending in Brothers Grimm story, ending was not forgiving as the land version. Cinderella rides away with the prince. another difference was Cinderella had a glass shoe & brothers grimm story the shoes were gold.
    Personification was different in each story, Brothers Grimm had less personification which was the magic tree. In the Lang version was shown when the fairy god mother uses everything to make Cinderellas time at the ball better than ever.
    Destroyer - Step mother and sisters
    Caregiver/Innocent- Cinderella
    Lover- prince charming

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  10. Reading the two Cinderella tales, there are many similarities and differences in the symbolism, plot, and manifestation of archetypes. The plot of both tales starts of very similar but shifts with the outcomes of the morals of the tales. The symbolism plays a major role in both tales and marks a huge difference on the outcome of the plot. The archetypes are very similar but are more in depth in one version than the other through the tone, language and flow of the tale.


    In both tales, Cinderella is mistreated by her stepmother and stepsisters. She lives in poor conditions and a lonely life. Thus, when everyone attends the ball, she is eager to go as well. But, now is where the plots shift. In Lang’s version, the fairy G-dmother grants her wishes by providing her with a beautiful new look, dress, slippers, a carriage and horses.


    The symbolism is a major key aspects that portrays the differences in both versions of the tale. For example, the slipper is a major key for the Prince to find “Cinderella”/ “Aschenputtel”. In Lang’s version the slipper is glass as opposed to Grimm’s golden slipper. This signifies the simplicity and humbleness of the character of Cinderella in Lang's version as opposed to Grimm’s where she is granted a high valued object within just a desire. Another good example, the supporting G-dmother and the animals in Lang’s version as opposed to a Hazel Tree and the Doves that grant all of Cinderella’s wishes in Grimm’s version. In both tales, they grant her wishes through magic and the personification of animals and nature is visible through the transformation.The Hazel Tree grows out of her tears (nature’s) and the Doves are guiding her surroundings by talking. The fairy G-dmother having magic and the animals having qualities of humankind is shown to have guided Cinderella in her journey to the ball. The significance of the Prince’s role is as a hero symbol in both tales. In Grimm’s version, the hero is very easy fooled twice and not have been by the guidance of the Doves, would he realize he was fooled by the step-sisters. He also waited for his helpers to take down his obstacles in finding Cinderella as opposed of doing it himself. In Lang’s version, the hero acts as his role of a Prince by admiring from afar, comfort and calmness in dancing, and doesn't seem intimidated by obstacles and is determined to find her and not be fooled by all the ladies who claim it's their slipper. The number 3 is a key symbolism has well. The number 3 is the “magical” number that makes a difference in each action of the main character. In Grimm’s version, Cinderella’s wish of finer clothes is granted on the third wish. Also, the Prince gets followed twice by the stepsisters and on the third time he follows his own instincts. The festival lasts three days as well.


    There are many archetypes present in both versions of the tales. In both, Cinderella is portrayed as the Innocence. She does all hard work without questioning, is not outspoken, etc. Moreover, this shows her Orphan archetype because she is alone and her step family is manipulating and using her. The Seeker archetype enables Cinderella's curiosity to attend the ball and to be in a world that she has never been around to. The destroyers are both the stepsisters and stepmother in which they would do anything to destroy the relationship between the prince and Cinderella and get all their desires accomplished. In Grimm’s version, the Hazel Tree and the birds are her caregiver by guidance, provide emotional support and granting her desired wishes. In Lang’s version, the fairy g-dmother is the caregiver that guide and grant her wishes. Thus, this leads to their Magician archetype. Both the G-dmother, the Hazel Tree and the Doves use “magic” to create miracles by guiding Cinderella and the Prince in the right path. Both Cinderella and the Prince are the Lovers archetypes because they both care for each other but embrace it differently.

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